Listen to our latest podcast (and subscribe while you are there!) as we interview one of our Platinum leaders, Jennifer Anderson, as she discusses how she has overcome bed-wetting (in her 11-yr old) using essential oils!
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Frank: 00:18 Hey everyone, hope you’re doing well today. I’ve got a pleasure of bringing my good friend Jen onto the show today. She and I have known each other now for coming up on five years. Yeah. And so we have, uh, met her through some various means. We actually have a history with jen when Jackie and I were separated, you know, retired from military service. We moved down to central Florida where Jackie was starting to dabble with Scobys and if you don’t know what a Scoby is, do we know the acronym?
Jenn: 00:52 symbiotic colony of bacteria and
Frank: 00:55 Nice, Nice.
Frank: 00:56 I was gonna back you up. Don’t worry. But essentially it’s the big snot thing that sits on the top of the brewed tea that eats up all of the sugar that you put inside of the tea that gives you that delicious fermented-ness. And so we met Jen through that and then subsequently when Jackie and I got started with some oils, uh, Jen and Jackie and actually reached out to one another and they were able to run with this wellness thing together now for the last five years. So a, jen brings a humongous, a vast knowledge of not only self research, if you will, of things that she has done for herself and the many members of her, her essential oil team. But really the biggest thing is, is that she has done a lot of like support for a lot of stay at home moms and she has a really great story that we want to talk to you guys about today in reference to her son.
Frank: 01:51 And uh, a lot of the research that she has done with some different supplementation and some different essential oils, if you will, in order to really be able to, um, I don’t want to steal her thunder but really help her son in a very, very vast and very, very exceptional way. And so what we’re going to talk about, Jenn, we’re going to talk about sort of like what led up to this sort of, the history, if you will, and then we’ll talk about like some various things that you’ve talked through with your practitioners and, and all that sort of thing. We’ll just kinda go from there. So if you wouldn’t mind, um, if you would like to, we can introduce your son. Uh, he’s not with us, but um, by all means, let’s, let’s dive into this and let’s sort of unpackage what all has happened.
Jenn: 02:32 Totally. So I started looking towards living a healthier lifestyle during my pregnancy and I continued on before he was born and then during, during his baby years, and unfortunately the research that I was doing at the time was very mainstream and the research that I really needed to do was not. So we, I listened to my mainstream practitioner, he wasn’t fully vaccinated a on a slower schedule, but only because timing didn’t really work out. And then we made a cross country move and came back. So he was vaccinated slower than normal, but he was fully vaccinated. And then as he potty trained and got older, he never had a dry night at night. So I started, you know, fully potty trained by three sort, started doing all the normal things, cutting out fluids, cutting out sugar, you know, making sure he went to the bathroom multiple times a night.
Jenn: 03:33 Started mentioning it to my pediatrician and his yearly well checks well by four, he had had chronic chronic ear infections. He was on 10 or 15, 18 antibiotics before he was to clear runny nose, green runny nose, ear infection, antibiotic. And we’d repeat that. So I started doing research on new pediatricians and I found a center in Orlando and it was founded by a woman named Cornelia Franz and it’s called the Franz Center in Orlando, Florida. And I went and I spoke with her and it was the most eye opening thing to have a physician who listened to me and who validated my concerns and looked at all of the little pieces of the puzzle and put them together. And so we got on a plan to really try and heal his god in his liver and just provide some really good detox measures for him.
Frank: 04:33 If I may, I’m not to interrupt you because that’s already sounding amazing. A lot of folks who might be listening, unfortunately, there is a, a great consensus of all of us that probably have very similar stories where, uh, you know, I, I personally speaking in my own right, you know, as a, as a PA, uh, going through school and learning everything we learned about medicine, uh, it’s just so fast and furious and the knowledge is so vast that we end up missing a lot of the practicality of a lot of the information that we learned. And unfortunately we also end up not learning a lot of things when it comes to overall wellness. And so, um, I know that I might not be the only person that states it, but even as a parent, it’s very difficult to often find someone who will listen and be able to kind of understand that.
Frank: 05:24 And because even harder to being a provider and a father at the same time because it’s like we’re problem solvers and so I still have that portion of my brain that says if you have this, these types of symptoms, it must be this diagnosis and this is the treatment plan that goes with this diagnosis. So it’s very cut and dry and uh, quite often providers have to actually be educated by their patients, especially these days when it comes to all of the different things that we want to do for wellness. So if you want to talk about that.
Jenn: 05:53 Absolutely. So one of the key things that I found was um, you know, five years ago or so, mom sent me, I’m going to speak to moms, but there’s definitely dad’s included in that too, were discredited for doing their own research. Um, they were called Internet doctors and you know, mom, you know, mom, you know, just follow mommy bloggers and things like that. But women are really in moms and dads are really becoming more respected in the field of doing their own research. So you want to make sure that the articles that you’re reading in the articles that you’re looking up, look at who wrote them, look at their credentials, look at what scientific studies they’re linking, and if they just say, this is my testimony, that doesn’t mean you have to discredit it because there’s power in testimony, but you need to really just look at who your who you’re following, what their credentials are and what what you’re researching.
Jenn: 06:45 And that’s really what I started to do. So I started looking at the difference in folic acid and folate and gluten and dairy versus raw dairy and really just kind of unpacking those things that he was eating and we were doing at our home. So I brought in essential oils, get rid of all of our synthetic cleaning products and sort of doing all of those things to really eliminate and reduce toxins. Swapped out our medicine cabinet for some natural things and some herbs and some homeopathics and some oils and different things to help support our bodies that way. Definitely cleaned up, our diets, started adding in some broth and some fermented foods and really just cooking more grass fed, organic produce, cleaning, even my organic produce, because organic doesn’t always mean grown without pesticides, it means grown with approved pesticides. So even cleaning that produce and baking soda and lemon oil and water and vinegar and just really drawing out as much toxic load is I could from his body is really kind of where I started with that.
Jenn: 07:52 And uh, we started him on a supplement routine on a whole food, kids vitamin a on an Omega supplement and then on a kids probiotic and we didn’t really see much change so we continued on it. Um, but it really just kind of sat there for awhile. And of course I did all the normal stuff. I cut out fluids, I limited sugar, I cut out dyes, but we really weren’t seeing an improvement. So every year I’d mentioned it wasn’t really a concern. It’s still classified as normal up until, um, 13. So it was really one of those just we’ll wait and see kind of things. But the emotional toll that it took on him, on me, I mean we’re changing full bedding every night we ran, we did the bed alarms. I will come up every two hours for almost a year and he would still wake up less wet but wet.
Jenn: 08:44 So it was like having a newborn again. I mean, we were all just to the point of exhaustion when I, right before his 11 year checkup now, he had been wet every single night. We had never had one single dry night and we were standing in line at a theme park and I looked and I noticed that he was developing gray hair. He had two or three of them and I said, you know, that’s, that’s a sign of a nutrient deficiency. I’ve done quite a bit of study in traditional Chinese medicine and that’s one of the, the signs that really stuck out to me in my studies was gray hair can be a sign of “B” deficiencies. So we went to his pediatrician, um, I had a list of blood tests that I wanted drawn to see if we could unpack this on a little bit deeper level and,
Frank: 09:34 and what I want to highlight what Jenn just said there is that it’s true, um, when it comes to, you know, you may bring a laundry list of lab tests and you might have to do some soul searching guys in some really kind of knocking on doors to find that practitioner that’s going to work with you because more often than not with the, with the way that healthcare is set up in America, it makes it difficult that providers may or may not actually be with you or order those particular tests because, um, you know, it becomes a, is this covered by insurance, is this medical necessity, things like that. And so, um, there might be some cost incurred on your end and it’s never necessarily the best of news to hear. But if you can find those practitioners that they do understand the medical necessity, then they will be happy to be really great patient advocates.
Frank: 10:28 And they will go in there with the same mentality of the understanding of there might be something going on here that isn’t inundated in evidence based medicine currently, but it is definitely showing signs where you know, these sorts of things are kind of popping up over the country and, and people are looking into these things. I mean this is how we stay on the cutting edge of medicine is we hear often from parents, we hear often from patients about certain things that are going on. And then that’s when we started discovering new ways of being able to manage some of these more significant ailments that have been going on for years and years.
Jenn: 11:07 absolutely. Absolutely. And when you find a practitioner who is willing to listen, typically they’re also willing to do their own research. So what I have found that when I go in and I say these are the things that I want drawn, what do you think? There are a whole lot more likely to do a little bit of research on their end than if I just go in fully at their disposal to get a full diagnosis from them as the same with supplementation. I go in with my list of these are the things I’m doing and even things like the common cold or flu go in there and say these are the things that I’m already doing. What can you add to that? So, and I feel like they’re much more receptive to that. So the first thing that I want to test it on him was, um, I
Frank: 11:54 wanted to know his mthfr genetic mutation status. I wanted to know if, um, if he was positive for that
Frank: 12:02 Mthfr, we jokingly say that it is, it’s an acronym that could be, you know, taken in a very bad way. So I’ll let you guys come to that conclusion. But it really is that. And so a methylene, methylenetetrahydrofolatereductase is the very fancy a long organic nomenclature, if you will, for really it’s, it’s a matter of making it codes for a particular enzyme that is responsible for sticking that methyl group on to something and one by. By doing that your body is either creating an active version or it’s actually what is called downregulating to become the inactive version and that’s how we do it as we’re calling it methylating is what happens that that it makes the gene either turn on or turn off essentially is what it does and there is a cycle of methylation that happens inside of the body and what we have found out, and like I said, this is tip of the iceberg stuff guys.
Frank: 13:04 This is not something that is evidence based medicine. I haven’t seen a lot of like robust studies in reference to this yet, but there’s a lot of folks they say even upwards of 50 percent of the population may be inappropriately methylating. Meaning that it’s either happening in a far less right. It may not even be happening at all. Me and myself personally, I’ve had some genetic testing done and I have found out that I am below 30 percent, uh, with that particular enzyme and so therefore I have a difficult time overall and I also have prematurely grayed as well, but I’ve also had some other symptoms that have been related to what I feel is to be a bad gene or a bad set of genes for my Mthfr as well. And unfortunately we’ll get to the point, uh, in reference to what it may do for Kiddos.
Frank: 13:54 But essentially we’re not advocating go out and go get your genes tested. By all means. It’s not necessary a buying far. It’s up to you if you wish to do it. I know that most of them, most of the time now it’s about $100 to do that type of testing. But then the downside is, is that, uh, with the regulations that are out there, you have to take additional steps to have somebody read that data because all you get is you get raw data and then you have to have somebody read that data and interpret it for you. And really, honestly, most of the time it’s okay to have this concept of ignorance is bliss and so if you actually feel that you might have a genetic thing going on because epigenetics, which is the study of things like this is epigenetics, is like our environment plays into our genes. So if you clean up the environment, uh, your genes in fact can actually be sort of cleaned up that way as well. And so anyway, we’re going to get into some of the weeds about that because if you feel so inclined to find out about your jeans and go down those pathways, then by all means do sell and then you get some really good data to be able to actually start making some positive change for you.
Jenn: 14:57 Wellness. Absolutely. And well, blood testing doesn’t give you all of the information. It gives you a snapshot of where you are right now. Hair testing, we’ll, we’ll pull out different things like metals and other things like that. But it’s, it was a good starting place for me. I wanted to know where he was. Now I’m just coming up on 12, uh 11. And um, he’d never really had any blood testing done, so I just kind of know what his labs were. Now we ended up pulling about 22 different lab tests on him. She pulled for lyme, Candida, a Igg, IGA, and igm.
Frank: 15:33 So may I ask what was the Igg Iga and igm for? Was that like, were they doing allergy testing
Jenn: 15:38 that, that was to tell what his candida numbers were showing how the Candida was affecting with the off gassing into the blood and how much of that was being.
Frank: 15:48 Yeah, because when you’re talking about IGA, we’re talking about essentially how he memorized it as iga and IgE or sort of like your, your allergy markers if you will. The igg is like, are you currently having an infection? And then the igm is like how long has the infection been going on? So yeah, it’s really nice to look at immunoglobulins because that might give you some details as to.
Jenn: 16:08 And the range for each, for each one of those, is there an n nine? And he was much greater than 10 for each. All three. And that’s what the reading came back. Yeah. So we pulled for that, um, we pulled his ADH to see how much um, antidiuretic hormone within, whether he was flipped and it turns out that he is actually flipped. So in the morning you usually wake up thirsty because your body’s like you need to drink all day and then when you’re closer to ignite, your body’s like, hey, we bought enough of this when he was actually flipped. So at night he was releasing all of his daytime fluid and then at night he would be thirsty in the morning. Good point. You know, he wouldn’t drink for the first six hours of the day, no matter how much we pushed, he wouldn’t. So his ADH was, it should be close to four point seven or higher.
Jenn: 16:57 And he was one point seven mm. What I asked her why, why that happened, she actually said that one of the few and only things that will throw off that ADH is mold toxicity. Interesting. Living in Florida, it is possible that at any point all the moisture would have been exposed to mold. Yup. So, um, so we worked on that. His vitamin D is supposed to be between 30 and 130 point three and his, my knees, which is supposed to be between four point two and six point eight was point five one, so super critically low. He almost essentially had no magnesium. It all on a system and my magnesium does a lot of things, but it’s vital for detox by the blood, which moves that Candida out, moves, regulates that Adh move that moves the mold and things like that. Um, it also drastically reduces the aluminum that he got through vaccines and through water or through air and things like that and instructs them out of the blood to the brain cells.
Jenn: 17:56 And it also is a vital for the absorption of Vitamin D. Okay. So if you’re out in the sun, if you’re taking your supplementation, you’re getting in vitamin D, if you were magnesium is that low, then you’re not absorbing your d so you can be going out and getting it and still be taking more and more and more and still not be getting enough. So, um, we began, there were, there were some other tests that were normal and good and things, but we basically came to the conclusion that we really needed to do some heavy duty detox like on him. So I started with homeopathics silica, the six X, we gave two pellets a day, three times a day for three days a week for how long? An entire bottle. So at least maybe a month. So it was about nine to 11 weeks. More than. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, Gotcha. Um, so two pellets, three times a day. Three days a week until that ran out.
Frank: 18:53 So we’re talking about probably at least two months, at least three months. Okay.
Jenn: 18:58 Right. And the thing is we also do use, um, a large number of essential oils and with homeopathics essential oils will actually counteract the effects of homeopathy. So you have to be careful what oils you’re diffusing and what oils you’re putting on topically, especially when you’re doing that three times a day. Um, so I just, you know, to work it out to where he wasn’t exposed to oils before or after. We also started detox baths, so taking a bathtub, putting epsom salt in there, a half a cup, Quarter Cup/whole cup just kinda dump. Baking soda and then I used a Cilantro, essential oil and some whole fat milk kind of disperse that into the water and I’d make him sit at least 20 minutes. So he’s getting that magnesium insert and that a Cilantro essential oil helps to chelate metals and expert at the same time. So we did that, uh, just about daily for at least four or five, six times a week as often as we could. And I started doing the castor oil packs over the liver so you can get organic cold Pascoe, cold pressed Castro oil, put that on a washcloth, warmish and apply it over the liver. And there’s some oils that you can add into that, like juniper berry and Cilantro and lemon and things.
Frank: 20:10 And would you recommend that we do that? Is that both on the front end? The back of the person or.
Jenn: 20:16 I did it on the back of him because it was easier for me to get him to lay on his belly. And do it, but yeah, if you could, as an adult, um, for myself, I actually slathered myself in the Castro oil and then wrap an ace bandage and so that’s, that’s Kinda how I do me. And they just keep it on as long as you can get them to stay still true. Um, you know, 20 minutes would be ideal. And so I started doing that on him again. We usually give him his bath, pull them out, do the pack. And it was a lot. It was definitely
Jenn: 20:48 a lot of effort in. I started him on vitamin D, um, droplets in addition to what he was getting from a supplement and we completely cut out folic acid completely, um, and increased the methylated fully that he was receiving. Sure. Um, and go and cut out processed sugar and processed foods, which is great for anybody no matter
Jenn: 21:13 what you’re going. So if I could wrap up what jen is talking about, it may seem like this gigantic laundry list of things. And quite honestly it could be okay. It’s, it’s not, there’s not a magic bullet. Okay. Wellness and our lifestyle has to be something that we are willing to commit to. It’s not going to be something that is going to be that one and done and that is how more of a conventional medicine approaches that. Like if I have this particular diagnosis, then I can use this treatment plan and therefore I have a by and far when you look at it in terms of like black and white, that’s how everything is written. But really honestly we’re dynamic creatures. We require a lot more like input, if you will, to get the type of desired output that we’re looking for. And so, you know, this is just one pathway that jen decided to take, but remember this is not going to be easy. So you know, you might mean not dealing with a bad weather. You might be dealing with yourself, you might be doing something that, you know, you get into your own research and everything like that, but I guarantee you folks, you’re going to be doing something that’s going to require a lot more than just one step.
Jenn: 22:21 Yes, yes. So from, so we started this. This is kind of our base protocol in addition to keeping them in on his Omega has broad spectrum kids, probiotic in his multivitamin. We added these things in and from November when we got the results and really started working diligently until May, we had four dry nights, which was huge. That’s a win, big win, huge win in that time. So I realized that something was working, but we needed to do more. So I added in Arborvitae essential oil and Cypress. And why? Why did you. Arborvitae has actually shown in multiple lab studies to kill Candida. Okay. So, um, we, we put that in, we apply to topically over the bladder and then Cypress essential oil helps to tighten those bladder muscles, get blood flow in and flush great vascular support. We’ll talk shows that may be sticking in the bladder.
Jenn: 23:15 So I mixed those into a roller bottle for him. Um, I did about five drops of each and put those into a roller bottle with some fractionated coconut oil and had them apply those two, three, four, five, six times a day as often as he thought about it. Um, I noticed almost within a week that his sugar cravings had cut down. He didn’t want nearly as much honey. He didn’t want nearly as much other stuff. His brain fog cleared up very, very quickly, which showed me that the candida was starting to go away and regulate. We actually all have candida in our gut, but it’s when it overgrows that
Frank: 23:51 really has, it creates something that is called an opportunistic infection. And so candida guys, it’s floating around us at the time. It is definitely one of the most common yeasts that folks will come into contact with. But the thing is, is that when I say opportunistic, that means that if it gets into an environment where it’s not normally supposed to be there or the, say, intestinal flora, the other bacteria in use that is inside the gut, if it sees a way that it can actually grow and proliferate, meaning that it actually creates a lot of offspring. Then unfortunately that’s when we get set up for infection. So there’s not supposed to be as much yeast in that area as there is and it proliferates and it causes some symptoms. So, um, it happens quite often in our gut, very much so,
Jenn: 24:47 very often in the gut. So we kept going. Um, I did change him from a child’s Omega and a probiotic and Multivitamin to an adult. Um, he’s 11, he grew almost four inches last year and so I feel like he’s transitioning into that needing more and based off of the labs that we pulled, he just, he needed more. So I made that transition and uh, we added in magnesium, so more magnesium and I found a four type a magnesium blend, 500 milligrams. And um, it helps with over 300 biochemical processes. So as low as his Mag was, we added that in, um, and just a huge, huge jumps in his vitamin D numbers very, very quickly. So, uh, I could tell that he was absorbing that well and that was working for him. Um, and then I listened to an amazing, amazing podcast by Dr Ben Lynch who wrote the book dirty jeans and he was talking about a specific strain of bacteria that helps you recover the gut from a antibiotic use, whether it was 40 years ago, whether it was recent and also really is designed to combat candida overgrowth. So I still gave him his broad spectrum probiotic in the morning, but I gave him, I started with one and worked up to, to have that short strain at night. Um, he said that it can cause, um, a lot of gas as that is.
Frank: 26:17 And that’s Boulardii B, b o u l a r d.
Frank: 26:22 Oh yes. Um, breaks that down S. Boulardi already.
Frank: 26:26 And as soon as the, uh, as, as the genus name guys. So it’s usually like, you know, there’s a genus name, if you will, by initial. And then the last name will be the species.
Jenn: 26:34 Yeah. Ask polardy. Um, and so we started them on one of those. And then too, because it can cost them flatulence and things like that. So you said it’s better to do it in your sleep, knock it out and get it over with. Sure. And then I started them on digestive enzymes because they really helped to break down the foods that you’re eating, especially if you’re not eating raw at every meal.
Frank: 26:55 And even if you are, I mean let’s face it, who really gets those enzymes so and always make sure that their whole food enzymes got to make sure that they’re whole
Jenn: 27:03 food enzymes and I would give him one with meals, but I would also give him one at night to help because if you don’t take it with a meal that it helps to eat up the rotten, rancid that’s been leftover. And then I also would give him one first thing in the morning when he woke up to cope, kickstart that metabolism and clean that stuff out before he ate. Um, and so a huge difference in that we also saw a huge reduction seasonal allergies. Um, when he started up in taking those digestive enzymes. And I started him on. We do one week on a month where I give him a, I’m a liver detox complex of whole food herbs, so it’s got um, psyllium husk. It’s got barberry, Kelp, milk thistle, red clover buds, burdock, and then some other things and I give him those two really help whole from the liver and detox.
Jenn: 27:54 And June we had about 12 to 15 dry nights. July we had closer to 20, 21 and for eight days and he was at summer camp and he was wet because he didn’t want to take supplements, but when he was home he was dry and I did a whole round of diatomaceous earth. You can, you can kind of look up different protocols and see what works for you and make sure you get food grade diatomaceous earth. And I sort of putting those in a capsule for him, pouring some pattern there now. So putting on, gave him two drops of Cilantro, essential oil a day internally, again, written by the my pediatrician, she was completely fine with the quality and the type that we were using just to pull more of that stuff out. Um, and so we went, we went through a round of that just to knock out parasites off the list to knock out any of any extra chemical exposure that he may have been exposed to. And fast forward, we really finished. We stopped adding things near the end of July and since I started school on August 11th. So by August 13th he has been dry and he has been dry every night since then.
Frank: 29:08 And that’s absolutely one that’s over one month overlap over one month that has such a high five for that. So, um, do you see this is a really, guys, this is how it can come down to. I mean, it’s such a, such a wonderful, amazing, powerful story that is, that, you know, you have, we’re in an age now that you have more technology or I should say you have more information at your fingertips than you could ever imagine. And so there is a really good appreciation of how medicine is starting to change and it started to become more patient. And so often, uh, you know, we, we do have to go in sort of not necessarily armed, but well-informed to speak with our providers who are absolute geniuses. I mean, by all means, this, this entire understanding is, like I said from, from day one, we want to really help you understand that the whole purpose of this radio podcast is that we want to create this east meets West Philosophy.
Frank: 30:09 Um, well, I am so grateful once again, that we have such amazing medicine in our country, uh, but we can be doing those things every single day to make those steps necessary toward having this feeling of unconventional wellness. I, Jen was talking about getting appropriate sleep. How can we address that? How can we remove stress in her son’s life? How can we, uh, definitely the toxins by all means, we’re very much hit a diet, was absolutely looked at diet and nutrition. And then finally, I’m really just, the fact is, is that we’re, we’re, we’re blessed because it was a child. Um, so therefore the activity levels, we have to look at things like that as well. Um, in order to be able to eat, burning off all of that energy as well. So by looking at all four of those different things are all those five different things we have been able to now or jen has been able to really create an environment in which we’re not getting the symptoms of such a detrimentally terrible thing anymore.
Jenn: 31:10 And you know, really when it, when it comes to being with your physician, it is a partnership and I did my own research and winning and they’re well informed and was very open to their opinion. There were a few things that I had researched that I asked what she thought and she said, you know, I wouldn’t go that route. I go this route. I tried this instead, I’m vitamin D, You know, based off of the, uh, what his vitamins were telling me he was getting enough. And she said, well, sometimes sublingual usage is just more effective. So being able to have that open dialogue with your provider and it was not easier, easy to find a provider. Um, it was definitely an hour and 15 minute drive from my house. It was definitely one that, um, you know, there’s a wait, you can’t just get it all the time and, but it was worth it for me to find a provider that was willing to listen and create that partnership with me.
Frank: 32:01 Yeah. And, and, and I mean, if I can echo that entire understanding that it is a matter of is it worth it? Well, of course, because if we’re talking about a friend or a family member, I think that their health is crucial and I think that it is important than. So we may have to make sacrifices, but the, here’s the, here’s the best part is that once again to give you the hope of everything that you could consider, start doing in your own personal life, is that have the hope that one day you will reap the benefit of all of the hard work that you are investing.
Jenn: 32:33 Absolutely. And um, one thing that I did forget to mention, we did go through multiple rounds of actual acupuncture and multiple rounds of Chiropractic care. And I do believe that those things also allowed those meridians and the those nerves to be truly in alignment to, to make this detox process work as effectively as it did.
Frank: 32:53 Absolutely fantastic testimony. Jen, I thank you so much for joining us today, uh, is just so inspiring, so thoughtful, and to be honest with you, I am just ready to launch this for everybody who has something like this. If you are listening to this podcast, I urge you to please make sure that you mash that subscribe button. That way you’re going to get this great feed. We’re going to be bringing you all of these things we possibly can with this radio station. And so if you’re listening to us on stitcher, spotify, Google play, or Itunes, please make sure that you subscribe to this podcast because we want to make sure that you are becoming even more well informed so you can make those decisions and be able to get that wellness that you have always, always desired and deserve. So take care and we’ll talk to you again on our next podcast.
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